For fucks sake America...

"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout)
08/04/2019 at 09:08 • Filed to: None

Stop.

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DISCUSSION (59)

$kaycog > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:22

Sickening.

McMike > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:23

Maybe we’re the shithole country?

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > McMike
08/04/2019 at 09:24

At this rate we should build a wall to keep americans out of mexico.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:27

But mah 2nd amendment rights.

WilliamsSW > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:29

Shhh... don’t give Canada any ideas.

McMike > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:30

Mexico might actually pay for that one.

Wacko > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:58

When Not enough thoughts and prayers are sent out shit like this happens...

dumpsterfire! > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 09:58

It's been 6 hours without a mass shooting now. Go 'Murica!

404 - User No Longer Available > McMike
08/04/2019 at 10:11

We’re already here. THIS is the bad place.

DipodomysDeserti > McMike
08/04/2019 at 10:40

Kinja'd!!!

DipodomysDeserti > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 10:42

Really comforting that these both happened the weekend before school starts.

valis86 > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 10:44

249 mass shootings in 215 days. Jesus Christ.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > $kaycog
08/04/2019 at 11:11

Dismaying.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 11:11

Dude: not helpful.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti
08/04/2019 at 11:12

An d there’s that...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > valis86
08/04/2019 at 11:13

How are mass shootings defined? One definition I've read is four or more victims, counting the shooter.

arl > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 11:17

Fucking-A.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:23

Depends who you ask:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:25

Why? That’s what this and all prior shootings default to.

Regardless of other contributing factors like mental health, racism, domestic abuse or terrorism (to name a few) it boils down to accessibility of guns every time.

nermal > McMike
08/04/2019 at 11:25

Not even close!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2019

valis86 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:25

That is my understanding as well.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > dumpsterfire!
08/04/2019 at 11:26

You can do it!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
08/04/2019 at 11:26

Is it fair to say, “too many?”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 11:28

Maybe so. But then in other countries, guns are completely inaccessible, which fact reasonable people there lament.

valis86 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:30

I mean, obviously it should not matter. We should not HAVE to define a mass shooting. We should condemn ALL shootings period. The only time I could kill a human, IMO, is in defense of my family. I am 51 and have never been pissed enough at anyone to even consider pulling a gun. I saw a fight a few weeks back where some dude kicked at a dog (total dick move, agreed, and I said that was not cool) and some other guy (NOT the dogs owner) freaking pulled a gun out of his car.

I dont get it. I just dont understand it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > valis86
08/04/2019 at 11:32

Perfectly reasonable.

09GT - now boosted > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:32

You are right - the idiots whose thoughts he was mocking are not helpful!

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:35

I personally (and I’m just some guy) believe that the US should, at minimum, adopt California style or Canadian style firearms laws.

I think people should be able to enjoy shooting or hunting and be able to own firearms, however this should be after testing, licensing and include monitoring.

We have 5 round mag limits here on rifles and an AR15 is considered a restricted gun which means you need additional licensing, have to be a member of a gun club and have permission to transport or sell it.

Pistols are the same. AKs are banned as are automatics, small pistols (.38 special type guns).

At least it's a start?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 11:39

I don’t have any answers. I only have despair.

MrSnrub > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 11:39

I think the main reason why this keeps happening is simple: there are too many guns. The US has less than 5% of the world’s population but more than 40% of the world’s civilian-owned firearms. When there are that many guns around it’s just going to be easier for people to get their hands on one, legally or not. Background checks and other reforms might move the needle a little but they’re ultimately nibbling at the edges of the problem.

Unfortunately mass gun confiscation will never happen, so people are just going to keep dying.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:45

Arguably one is too many. From a math perspective, getting shot as an innocent person in a mass shooting is such a statistical improbability as to not warrant concern. Even more so if you’re just out in public minding your own business.

That’s why they get so much media exposure ! Because it’s both so unlikely, and at the same time shocking.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 11:47

Doesn't matter in the end anyway, nothing will change. I can say that for certain.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 11:48

Yeah. I don’t even know what’s going to fix this. I worked down the street from Sandy Hook Elementary when that attack took place and recall thinking maybe now they’ll do something about this.

Nope.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
08/04/2019 at 11:52

Same, by that argument, with air crashes, no?

Sovande > Wacko
08/04/2019 at 12:07

Or maybe the problem is people think thoughts and prayers are the answer.

Wacko > Sovande
08/04/2019 at 12:10

Only answer is strict gun control laws, but until America does that, thoughts and prayers are gonna have to do.

Sovande > Wacko
08/04/2019 at 12:34

That sounds an awful lot like giving up to me. Believing in a fairy tale isn't going to solve any real problems.

Wacko > Sovande
08/04/2019 at 12:51

Strict gun control will never eliminate all gun violence/shootings... but it will greatly reduce them. Just look at Canada, or the UK.

Thoughts and prayers are all that American politicians want to do. Sadly I don’t think America will have any significant changes in gun control any time soon. Just like universal health care.

Sure, our system here in Canada ain’t perfect(nothing is by the way) but they are better than the American way.

gettingoldercarguy > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 13:16

But it is funny

fintail > McMike
08/04/2019 at 13:42

Other than the shootings and the healthcare mess and wealth inequality and failed economic mobility and crumbling infrastructure and polarized populace, no way!

valis86 > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras
08/04/2019 at 14:38

Just heard that the sister of the shooter was among the victims....those poor parents...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gettingoldercarguy
08/04/2019 at 15:59

Cynical maybe, or ironic, but ultimately tragic.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 16:44

Shush Canadian!

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 16:46

Can you ask your PM to annex us?

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Wacko
08/04/2019 at 16:48

Thoughts and prayers are about as effective as actually trying to run your car on fumes.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Wacko
08/04/2019 at 17:01

As a Canadian with a gun license I don’t think it’s fair to compare us to the United States regarding gun violence. We don’t have the gun culture and our laws do not support using firearms for self defence except in unique circumstances, also from my understanding those circumstances are not codified but determined based on the case at hand in court. That being said I do think that severe restrictions on handguns that we do have are reasonable and effective.

Also as some other commenters have mentioned the sheer volume of guns in the United States and the economic interests lobbying for unrestricted sales of those guns do not and did not exist in our commonwealth nations.

Wacko > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
08/04/2019 at 17:04

So in other words they are past the point of no return?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
08/04/2019 at 17:15

You wouldn’t really want that would you?

How about I come live in Portland for a year and you live in BC for a year.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Wacko
08/04/2019 at 17:20

I will always have hope, maybe states will take it upon themselves to do what the federal government refuses to do, maybe it will be an election issue that will compel reform. I think what other nations have learned can benefit the states, but it is immensely more complex than simply applying what has worked elsewhere. The United States is simply too complex for a template solution like adopting Canada’s firearms laws.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 19:16

I think I would. At least annex Oregon and Washington. Pwetty pwease! *Insert puppy dog eye gif*

Do I get all the benefits of being a Canadian?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
08/04/2019 at 19:42

Sure! Paying more in taxes, insurance and gas!

Oh and free healthcare. Psh, whatever lol

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
08/04/2019 at 20:08

Worth it.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/04/2019 at 21:42

Same in regards to being a bigger perceived concern than actual concern. I’d put shark attacks and lightning strikes in the same category as well.

That doesn’t mean that we just ignore them and don’t do anything to prevent them. Commercial air travel is one of the safest methods of transportation despite the highest risk in the event of catastrophic failure - meaning falling out of the sky @ 30k ft. However, airplanes are, as a general rule, predictable. All of the parts on them have service levels, maintenance checks, etc. There are failsafes and backups and extensive training for operating them.

Mass shooters are different , in that they are much more unpredictable. They do tend to fall into one of two categories - Usually social outcasts that turn to violence like the two heavily reported events this weekend, or drug & gang related like the one that also happened this weekend in the shithole section of Chicago.

As far as preventing them, there are a bazillion different theories. Gun-grabbing probably won’t do it. There are estimates that there are upwards of 10 million of them in the USA, yet maybe a handful used for mass shootings. That’s pretty good odds. The only way to prevent the shootings is to prevent the people from going down the path that makes them want to harm others, and that is extremely difficult.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
08/05/2019 at 01:23

Car crashes, plain crashes, shark attacks -- earthquakes -- mostly caused by negligence, mechanical failure, nature... I think it's the deliberate nature of the shootings, as well as the drama of them, that causes them to give so much pause. I'm not suggesting that gun grabbing is the answer; indeed, it's a fool's errand at this point. I'm suggesting putting resources into the going-not-down-the-path plan.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/05/2019 at 09:43

Agreed completely.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
08/05/2019 at 09:56

I forgot wildfires and hurricanes...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
08/05/2019 at 10:29

... plain crashes...

Kinja'd!!!

duurtlang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
08/05/2019 at 16:41

I’m not familiar with western countries where firearms are completely inaccessible. Hunting rifles (not semi auto ones) tend to be accessible when you have a hunting license and whatnot. I don’t think I’ve never heard anyone in real life mention they wanted a gun. Not once.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > duurtlang
08/05/2019 at 17:45

No, I am likely guilty of oversta ting there. But I converse with people here who live in other countries where guns are heavily restricted and some of these express that they'd like to own, say, a revolver. I am not for entirely unrestricted firearms ownership, but in this country, trying to restrict access is a fool's errand because it just ain't gone happen. The genie is uncorked on that one and we just need to accept that and try something different, particularly since we have such useless politicians.